Seatbelts, berths and self containment

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Seatbelts, berths and self containment

Postby apdays » Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:02 pm

Hi,

some newbie questions from a prospective motorhome owner...

we are currently looking at vans and are in the market for a Traillite or similar, about 7m, and currently looking at ones between 2000-2005 with a traditional layout with lounge at the back. We still have the kids around so need 5 seat belts. For sleeping they'll be in the tents most of the time but may be sleeping in the van some of time. We are thinking 2 in the lounge and one on a mattress in the middle. This is the theory anyway.

If we get a "4 berth" van can this have a self-containment cert for 5 people assuming the sanitary requirements are met? or do the number of berths come into play? If we need to get some extra seat belts would that be a big job on a 10 year old traillite? I believe also we would need lap belts for side facing seats?

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Re: Seatbelts, berths and self containment

Postby muzzanic » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:09 pm

This is a good layout for what you are looking for.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =887732740
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Re: Seatbelts, berths and self containment

Postby NeilV » Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:47 pm

Re the seatbelt a... Your passenger limit is based on the number of belts fitted, so you'll need 5 belts for your family. AFAIKSelf containment is based on number of births, so SC for 5 would be based on 5 berths... Though if the kids are sleeping in tents, why would you even need an SC cert as this implies you'd be in campsites anyway?
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Re: Seatbelts, berths and self containment

Postby beanpole » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:50 am

In answer to the SC question.
15.1 of the Standard. This states; "shall list the equipment fitted and the number of people the vehicle's fresh and waste containment system is capable of supporting".
So, if it only has 4 berths and you wish to have it certified for 6 people, as long as the capacities are sufficient, you may do so.
The berths and seatbelt issues do not come into the Standard. Only the number of occupants that the CSC system is capable of supporting.
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Re: Seatbelts, berths and self containment

Postby apdays » Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:58 am

thanks for that Muzzanic yeah that layout is good, we were tipping towards the traillites for the larger load capcities and water tank capacities as well as robustness. we previously had an Aussy 4x4 offroad camper trailer and enjoyed taking it off the beaten track.

NeilV, thanks for the info I was under the impression SC certs were based on water/sanitary capacities for 3 days, although you may be right that it is limited to a max of the number of berths, hence my original question, so if I put a blow up bed on the floor does that make it a five berth, are there any compliance/technical/law rules that define the berths :). You asked why would I want a SC cert for 5 people if camping, well, we like to travel round, stop at campsites sometimes and other times freedom camp. Not being able to freedom camp or stop in places not suitable for tents was a limitation with our camper trailer.

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Re: Seatbelts, berths and self containment

Postby NeilV » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:37 pm

Beanpole (post above) is an SC inspector, so as he states, u get very for whatever you're technically capable of holding.... But keep in mind you'll need seatbelt for all passengers unless you buy a MH older than 2003 when that rule came in...
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Re: Seatbelts, berths and self containment

Postby Zukiwi » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:42 pm

apdays wrote: although you may be right that it is limited to a max of the number of berths


See Gordon (Beanpole's) reply for the absolute good oil. Nothing to do with the number of berths or seatbelts.

NeilV wrote:Though if the kids are sleeping in tents, why would you even need an SC cert as this implies you'd be in campsites anyway?


Not at all - NZMCA parks allow the use of tents with a motorhome provided the total number of people does not exceed the number for which CSC is held. There may well be other sites that also allow tents in conjunction with CSC vehicles.

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