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 #150491  by MikeB4
 Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:27 pm
We are in the market for a caravan. Luckily I have discovered that our 2017 Nissan Qashqai has a pathetic to capacity of only 1,200KG. We are seeking a two birth caravan upwards to max laden weight of around 1,500KG. I am seeking recommendations and suggestions for a tow vehicle.
I am pleased we discovered the capacity of our Nissan before purchasing the caravan. Any help would be gratefully received.
 #150492  by Chequers
 Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:55 pm
You wont go past a Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2D CRDI. Any model with the R Series engine. The towing capacity is 2000kg braked. It puts out 147kw and is great for towing. We towed a caravan about the same weight as yours with a 2012 model and it handled it great. A comfortable vehicle to drive as a everyday vehicle too - good economy with it.
 #150503  by mattn
 Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:46 pm
Really need to know budget and other considerations such as how much towing verse other duties. SUV, 4x4, Ute preferences etc

A recent post here asked the same question - the Santa Fee or Kia Sorento R series 2.2TD (These cars use the same running gear) are highly regarded. If you want a 'better' Qashqai, I suggest use these as 'a stake in the ground'. We tow 1400kg with a Kia Sorento and cannot really fault it. Only 'complaint' ist he rear end could be a bit stiffer - but thats probably my personal preference.

Mazda CX5 get good reports.
 #150508  by Waymad
 Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:37 am
Second Mattn suggestions, as to what budget, how old a vehicle can you tolerate etc.

I'd add two comments. As one who has towed the same 'van (a 2-berth Bailey) with a petrol Subaru Forester, and the current Hyundai diesel tug (see below), the difference was largely in the number of ratios in the auto box. The 4-speed Forester 'hunted' between top and 2nd wildly through hill work, and was never happy on the open road: any slight rise and down she'd go, up went the revs and the tank went Down. The 6-speed Santa Fe has a far superior box, and it hasn't changed much since its introduction in 2010 except to add more ratios in the very latest incarnation. It seems to be long-lived mechanically: nine years is enough to bring out any horror stories. It towed Baby Bailey over Takaka Hill at an even 2000 rpm - right in the torque band the whole way, and at a nice, consistent road speed. I had the auto oil changed at 200K and the specialist auto transmission firm which did the job commented that it was clean, had never cooked, and that Korean/Japanese 'boxes run cooler than Euro ones (80-90 versus 110-120 degrees Celsius) and last longer thereby)

The other aspect re diesel is that the running-in period is crucial. The fuel is a lubricant, which implies a much longer time for rings, cylinder walls etc to bed in. So a vehicle which spends this period knocking around town, with short trips, frequent starts and stops, and low engine speeds and average temperature, is likely not to last as long as a country leased vehicle (mine was, it put up 164K in just under 4 years) where the engine is revving, being worked for long periods, and being started and stopped much less frequently. Diesels like consistent loads, even revs (that multispeed box, again), and long hauls.

It's also worth noting that town work, towing, high speed and frequent stops and starts are classified in my Hyundai manual as 'severe duty' and this halves the service intervals. I do my own oil and filter changes, and the engine oil change interval is 7500km for this duty. So the cost of filters, an ACEA C3 or C4 oil at $10-15/l and 6.7l needed, can mount up if one is not forewarned. It's around $120/change or 16c/km. RUC is currently 6.8c/km, and at an average 10l/100k fuel usage, at say $1.20/l truck-stop priced, that's 12c/km for diesel. So there's 34.8c/km in oil/fuel/RUC alone.

More grist for the mill....
 #150521  by Waymad
 Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:24 am
Edit to diesel running cost: thought that cost/km looked fishy, so removed shoes and socks, thereby doubling computational power, and recalculated:

Fuel at 10l/100km and $1.20/l truck-stop cost = 12c/km
RUC at $68/1000km = 6.8c/lm
Oil change at $120/7500km = 1.6c/km

So total cost (excluding capital and major maintenance) is 20.4c/km.

There, that's better.
 #150522  by mattn
 Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:39 pm
As far as oil for my Sorento, as it does not have a DPF pretty much any ACEA A3/B4 rated oil is suitible. You can pick this up on special at the major retailers for under $30/4litres. I usually use a Nulon fully syntheic 5W30, but i am not too fussy. Have yet to read anything the convinces me that if you stick to manufacture spec oil and intervals, spending up big on oil makes a difference to your engine (unless you driving is 1/4 mile at a time).
 #150526  by Nut17
 Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:10 pm
Our Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD has 20,000km service intervals, but I still change engine oil and filter every 10,000 km. I am using the dealer recommended Castrol Magnatech 5w40 C3 fully synthetic oil that I purchase from Repco when they have a special - $10 / Lt I need 8 Lt and the filter costs me $23.00 . We have a 2 post hoist in our shed so undertake our own regular maintenance. However, while the Jeep was still under warranty the dealer would fit my filters and oil, charging me a realistic $100 for the pleasure. The 40,000 km intervals require air and fuel filter replacement adding around another $100.00. These I source from the US on Ebay as local pricing is totally unrealistic.
Modern petrol engines require pretty good oil and regular servicing and I doubt there would be much difference in the servicing costs. However, when towing a caravan your dollars spent at the pump would be double if towing with a petrol over a diesel. The Jeep will travel 1000km on 80 litres of diesel - We averaged $1.19 / Lt nett over our recent 6000 Km South Island Meander, and towing our 3500 Kg van the fuel used doubled to around 16 Lt / 100 km. The petrol version of the same vehicle consumed 12.5 Lt / 100 km on a trip and 24.8 Lt / 100 Km when towing our 2011 caravan (2950 Kg). This was an actual evaluation test carried out in August 2011.
 #150545  by Waymad
 Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:19 am
Mattn - my Santa Fe is approaching 220K, and we want it to last for the next ten years of 'active retirement', at say 15-20K kms/year. So that's why I'm sticking to the C3 or C4 full synthetic oils, and the 7500k change interval. At this interval, the dumped oil is just lightly black with carbon: I would not like to chance a longer service interval.

But as with all things Vehicular, your mileage may vary....
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