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 #15626  by Maverick Dragon
 Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:12 am
As the days & weeks pass and the oil keeps pouring into the ocean... :x

I am boycotting BP :twisted:

Anybody else doing this?

Last edited by Mark on Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:45 am, edited 1 time in total. Reason: Moved from General Discussions.
 #15629  by Mark
 Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:52 am
Yep - likewise....

And while we're selecting fuel suppliers why not consider giving your custom to the ONLY fuel company in New Zealand owned by New Zealanders?
Greenstone Energy, owned 50% by Infratil and NZ Super Fund, bought the NZ assets of Shell in the first quarter of this year.
 #15630  by bazzanz
 Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:19 am
MarkHoward wrote:Yep - likewise....

And while we're selecting fuel suppliers why not consider giving your custom to the ONLY fuel company in New Zealand owned by New Zealanders?
Greenstone Energy, owned 50% by Infratil and NZ Super Fund, bought the NZ assets of Shell in the first quarter of this year.
May be wrong but I understood Shell were closing down their operation in NZ .... in name
at least.

If this is the case ... does anyone know what brand name the new owners will be operating under ?
 #15631  by Mark
 Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:04 am
Shell (the Dutch company) no longer owns any retail, refining or distribution businesses in New Zealand. They are now owned by Greeenstone Energy a 100% NZ owned company.
See here: ... nergy.html

Greenstyone also purchased the right to continue to use the Shell name for several years, so the name will stay the same but the ownership is now Kiwi.
 #15632  by JimP
 Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:54 am
Why pick on BP?
What about the disasters that have been going on in Africa for the past 30 years?
Who is the major contributor to world pollution (apart from China) - USA.
What are they doing about it - nothing. :twisted:

I am not supporting BP - but!!
 #15644  by bazzanz
 Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:00 pm
Not for a moment disputing that marine oil spillages are an environmental
disaster, therefore deserve to be at the forefront of the news ..... but ......

We hear very little about the effect that wartime spillages had on the
environment ...... when up to a dozen or more ships could be sunk in a single
day .... along with untold aircraft plunging into the Pacific Ocean.

Then there were all the convoy ships lost to U Boats etc. in the Atlantic.

Would imagine attempting to clean up the massive oil slicks would have been
a priority at such a time even had it been possible.

How did the marine environment manage to survive all of that ?????
 #15722  by RaymonD
 Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:25 pm
Just another case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted... :(

Ray D
 #15890  by bazzanz
 Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:42 pm
If this engineer is right, this is truly a scary scenario! Here's his story.


"Heard you mention the oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico this morning, and you (and most everyone else except maybe US talk show host George Noory) are totally missing the boat on how big and bad a disaster this is.

First fact, the original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!

I'm an engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.

First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.

When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.

Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of is spewing 200,000 barrels of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!

First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.

On the longer-term side of things, there are signs that this largest oil drilling catastrophe could also become the worst natural gas and climate disaster. The explosion has released tremendous amounts of methane from deep in the ocean, and research shows that methane, when mixed with air, is the most powerful (read: terrible) greenhouse gas — 26 times worse than carbon-dioxide. Our warming planet just got a lot hotter.

The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work.

If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?

We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to fo rward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.

Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.

Unless God steps in and fixes this. No human can. You can be sure of that!
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