Discussions about the risks of losing the right to freedom camp and how to counter these.
 #71044  by Zukiwi
 Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:41 pm
Here's a link to a very useful map on DOC's website showing, among other things, sites where freedom camping is prohibited or restricted. http://maps.doc.govt.nz/Viewer/Index.html?viewer=rwa . It has several layers that can be switched on to show all sorts of detail about conservation land and activities on it. Note you can view it in topo map, satellite, plain map or other bases.

It's important to understand though that the maps don't show all FC sites on public conservation land - only those that are prohibited or restricted by FCA notices. There are many others, eg in national parks, that are prohibited by the individual park's bylaws. And, on the other hand, there are many, many others that are available unrestricted by virtue of the default setting of the Act. It's important too to look at the layer showing managed campsites, as many of these are free (Basic standard) and thus qualify as FC. They too are unrestricted.

If you switch on the layer that shows public conservation land you can then see all areas where FC is likely to be permitted. As national park land is shown in a different colour (yellow) you can make a fair guess that FC is not allowed within 200m of any roads within that park. There are some exceptions but they are shown in the restricted sites list and on the DOC map (eg Scoria Flat Bruce Rd, Tukino skifield access road, both in Tongariro National Park). For all other classes of public conservation land you can reasonably assume unrestricted FC is permitted, given the statement on the DOC website that "Freedom camping is permitted on public conservation land, except in areas where it is expressly prohibited or restricted to self contained vehicles." (http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recrea ... m-camping/). A very useful tool.

 #71056  by Mark
 Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:07 am
Thanks, John, for that very clear explanation.

I have added it to my browser bookmarks (under my growing collection of "Maps") and will add a link to it under Freedom Camping on our Forum website Links page when I get home.
 #71635  by rawill
 Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:56 pm
I am hoping, no I guess I am sure James and NZMCA know all about the "banned" places.
 #71637  by Mark
 Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:12 pm
Either James or John Gibbs will be able to give you a steer.

I imagine if there is a discrepancy in the information that two parts of the DOC website are giving you, that would be a pretty good defence - but make sure they are not calling the site you are looking at on the map something different in the list of Prohibited and Restricted sites. That's something that has been raised with them, but not yet addressed on their website.

Things don't happen quickly with DOC: I am still awaiting a response about an apparently illegal sign at Dublin Bay (Wanaka), a query sent to them, I think, 3 weeks ago now.
 #71645  by Zukiwi
 Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:29 pm
Gingernutty wrote:If we find a site on the Doc map which indicates restricted Freedom Camping (eg Mt Bruce), but there is no corresponding entry here: http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recrea ... ion-areas/
Which do we believe? :?:
In the normal course of events I would have no hesitation in saying that the site is fully available for unrestricted freedom camping, and legally it is; ie if the Gazette notice classifying it as restricted has been rescinded and not been replaced with prohibited status then the default setting of the FCA applies - and it is available. The Gazette notices and their accompanying maps on the website are the real deal. Other information, such as on the map you quote, is subsidiary and carries no legal weight.

Reason I opened with In the normal course of events is because I have seen something in the last couple of days that said DOC has closed Mt Bruce for FC due to unspecified issues, but for the life of me I can't find it (James - help :? :? ). But in any case, for that to have any legal effect I would expect it would have to go through a formal process of rescinding or modifying the original Gazette notice from restricted to prohibited and I don't know if that's been done.
Mark wrote:Things don't happen quickly with DOC
Nor always accurately or efficiently :( This issue is a bit of a dog's breakfast and I can only suggest you ask some specific questions of DOC's Wairarapa district managers.

 #71652  by Gingernutty
 Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:19 am
Just got an email from Doc to say that Mt Bruce had 'dropped off'' the page. Restricted Freedom Camping is available at two sites in Mount Bruce Reserve. Restricted to Self Contained vehicles only. The duration of a stay may be no more than 4 nights in any single calendar month. Gazette has now been added to http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-recrea ... ion-areas/
 #71662  by Mark
 Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:31 pm
Good work, Gingernutty. :)
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