#164969  by Nut17
 Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:28 pm
There is minimal loss of capacity using a bulk / absorption voltage of 13.8 - 14.0 volts. The BMS would be less likely to intervene when keeping the charge voltage down to 14.0 volts max.
 #164973  by johnny
 Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:29 pm
"Is there a data sheet for the battery/BMS?"

That is the 64$ question.

Only some sellers supply , but other will not.
Confirm this is available from the Battery Manufacturer 'Reseller' before purchase.
This will force others to supply if they want to keep selling rather just using 2nd hand cells ,
no BMS or Manufactures data ,and claiming capacities others have proven to untrue.
 #164974  by Nut17
 Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:58 pm
This advertiser http://www.applestone-utv.com/435071012 ... -batteries is now importing bare 200 AH LiFePO4 cells - The first eight, I have purchased, capacity and internal resistance tested then passed on at my cost to get some into the market. Four cells make up a 200 Ah battery @ $300 each making the pack $1200. The only additional cost would be an HA02 Balancer (about $60.00 from Aliexpress) , about 300mm of 15mm copper pipe to cut, flatten and drill to make cell connecting plates and eight 6mm x 10mm stainless bolts and washers - making the battery about $1260 all up. The capacity test was performed charging and discharging each cell individually from 2.9 v to 3.5 volts. All cells were very close in capacity with a low of 203 Ah and a high of 208 Ah. The sixteen cells that have been supplied have both been fitted to new European motorhomes - each fitting a pair of 12 volt units giving a 400 AH pack for just over $2500.00. The supplier will keep on hand a few replacement cells should any warranty claims occur. At this stage there is a 24 month warranty in place but he is negotiating with his supplier to extend this to five years - with some conditions.
With a battery set up like this should in the unlikely event a cell should fail, it is a relatively easy task to replace a single cell.
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 #164978  by ianganderton
 Sun Aug 30, 2020 8:26 pm
The lithium valley 200Ah from sunny tech is $1200 which makes it pretty good value for money as it’s covered by NZ consumer law

http://sunnytech.co.nz/product/12v-200a ... 4-battery/

The 100Ah includes a pic of the cells and BMS

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Not exactly the most robust construction but probably good enough in a battery box. I wonder how easy it is to get inside the box?

BMS is rated for 1C discharge and putting them in series


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 #164991  by CatholicKiwi
 Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:38 am
That warranty conditions page isn't listed on Trade Me, and seems to be a new addition to the website. Not that it matters as I'm sure one would be operating within those conditions regardless.
 #164992  by Nut17
 Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:22 am
I agree that the warranty conditions are not at all prohibitive and more than realistic. In 8 years of using prismatic LiFePO4 batteries, and many of them getting a pretty hard time I have yet to have a failure. Most of the cells have been purchased second hand and have continued to perform with close to new capacity. These include cells from four different manufacturers.
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