#142108  by inspector
 Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:07 pm
Derb, there's so much [email protected] spouted about 'test and tag' that I so wish it was never, ever dreamed up!
Since 1990 NZ has followed the rest of the Health and Safety conscious world with this [email protected] that if you test and tag electrical equipment you'll have a lovely safe environment and everything will be rosey in the garden!
Your supply cable is being tested (and tagged) under a standard for 'workplaces'. That's workplaces, not domestic.
There is some argument that campsite owners want to keep their other clients safe - and who can disagree with that, but along with your WoEF your supply lead will be tested (and repaired no doubt if it were dangerous). Therefore it's not a leap of imagination that it to is good for 4 years.
And this brings me to the other point about 3760. The frequency of re-testing as set out in that wonderful (?) standard is 'indicative'! Not mandatory.
The number of people who tell me that they have been told 'X' has to be re-tested every six months, (and usually by one of the numerous T&T outfits), is staggering.
Hardly anyone uses a risk matrix, let alone applies common sense.
I'll rock your world now. I'm going to suggest that a owner of, lets say, oh a drill and extension lead, is a lot more likely to look after that, whereas lets say a hire company where anyone from day to day will use a similar drill and extension lead.
So the re-test for the owner operator should be a lot longer than the hire company. And by lot longer I mean years not months! (because they probably look after it better and seeing as it will be them that get the electric shock if it's faulty, more likely to repair it when needed).
I think your inspector needs to have another read of 3760!
 #166137  by doctrox
 Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:07 am
Greetings! I'm new to the caravaning scene. I recently bought a ~1975 "Gulf Explorer 3.8" (about 11ft.). And it's been tripping out at some but not all of the park hookups. It has a single electrical breaker box that still has the metal peg in place. Someone told me to remove it, but I've read all the posts in this thread, and I understand it's not a good idea to remove that peg.

Can someone simplify this for me? Bottom line: I want to be able to plug into any mains power source anywhere (parks, private residences , etc.) without hassle. So, is it an RCD that needs to be installed? And who in the Putaruru/Morrinsville/Paeroa area is qualified to properly install it? What should I expect to pay?

Thank you for your help!
 #166143  by mattn
 Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:59 am
Its illegal for you to remove the MEN link (peg).

The best option today is to replace the fuse board. Total cost for parts around $100 (e.g. On trade me, plus the sparkies time. Any qualified electrician can do the work.
 #166165  by mattn
 Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:13 pm
I am not a sparky, so don't quote me on any of this ;) Generally the use case is small, and sparkies won't typically be buying the bits in 'packages' from trademe....

There are situations where RCD's are not required (although sleepouts don't count - residential, and caravans don't count as they are transportable structures.). Repairs to existing installations without RCD do not require them to be fitted (although why wouldn't you?) . Most likely use case is the supply is RCD protected, so no need for additional RCD protection in a sub fuse board. The sub fuse board in a tiny House, sleep out garage or such like, that is not a transportable structure connected (usually permanently) to a supply with RCD protection comes to mind.
 #166187  by johnny
 Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:57 pm
Really , you should read the ad, it states --- Caravan.

Will someone with Electrical knowledge confirm a Caravan is a portable installation
and requires a RCD fitted when any Electrical work is done on SW/b.. ?

The ad on trademe , is what is under discussion here .

this SW/b. unit will be required to have a earth neutral link , therefore can not be connected to a RCD installation without modification..
 #166190  by markcraven
 Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:32 am
I am registered and licensed. This is a quote from the current ASNZS3001
This edition was prepared to update the requirements for electrical installations associated
with transportable structures and vehicles (formerly known as relocatable premises) and
their site supplies following the issue of AS/NZS 3000:2007. It includes provisions for the
connection of electric power to various types of transportable structures and vehicles,
including caravans and various temporary structures such as tents used for domestic and
commercial purposes.
Most electrical workers like to supply their own gear from their wholsalers, especially switchboard components. Buying stuff Trade me is OK as long as they can provide an SDoC for the MCBs etc. The board does need an RCD and I see he makes a reference to iit in his advert for an additional cost. I generally use RCBO's.
 #166204  by Sarmajor
 Sun Oct 11, 2020 7:54 pm
Doctrox, you can have an RCBO fitted adjacent to your Caravan switchboard or it may be able to be fitted into your existing switchboard to replace the Existing Main Switch.
An RCBO is preferred over an RCD because the RCBO will provide over current protection for the supply lead and leakage current protection for the installation in one device.

Simply removing the MEN link is unsafe and unlawful and may leave your Connectable Installation in a dangerous condition.

There are contact details available from the NZMCA for Inspectors in the area that you have indicated who would be happy do look at your installation and offer a cost effective solution.

Johnny, TradeMe adds can sell just about anything to anyone. There is no requirement for a TradeMe seller to get the contents of a package deal for anything correct. It is the responsibility of the person carrying out the work to ensure that the correct equipment is selected, installed and Certified as Safe before connection to a supply.
Also it is unlawful for a person without a current electrical (Electrician or Inspector) practicing license to carry out work on a Connectable Installation.
The “homeowner” exemption does not apply to Connectable Installations.

The requirement for some electrical components to have SDOC’s is just that. There must be an SDOC available. They should be able to supply it or direct you to a web site that you can download it from. It must be in the format specified by WorkSafe. And it must be in English. A bigger hurdle for the suppliers of MCB’s, RCD’s and RCBO’s is that they are Declared High Risk Articles and require approval to be legally sold in NZ. Only WorkSafe or a recognised agency can issue such an approval.
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